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Installing the doorpanel

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  • LagerLager
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    Hi!

    Is there some kind of secret how to make those yellow clips to hold and not to break?

    The passenger side went quite OK – only one yellow clip did not reach the hole but the left side is driving me crazy. I can only manage to put one or two yellow clips into place the other ones just don´t click into place or they brake.

    Is there some kind of quality difference between those clips? I put new clips to the panels before I tried to install them.

     

    I have also one other question about the wiring on drivers side door.

    One connector goes to the warning lamp.

    There´s those speaker wires.

    There´s is four connectors that go to the control panel.

    Then there´s one two-wire connector that I don´t know where it goes to. It is near of those connectors that go to the control panel. Any idea?

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Christophermercon@gmail.comChristopher Mercon
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    I purchased new clips and receivers and broke several before i got it right.

     

    when i take the panel off there is 2 connectors for the mirror adjusters, 1 for the windows and 2 for the speakers, what warning light are you referring to?

    LagerLager
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    I mean that red warning light that is on when the door is open. I think that the plug I am talking about does not go to the door panel. Maybe it has something to do with the central locking or the ACC sensor. I just have to find out where it connects.

     

     

    LagerLager
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    Still no luck. I can get 2 yellow clips click to place. Rest of them just won´t attach. The passenger door went fine – problems with only one clip.

    Johan VlagsmaJohan Vlagsma
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    Hi Mika, why won’t they attach? Do they not line up or is there too much tension on the panel to keep it seated in place? Either way, something is not sitting right, possibly wiring is not in the right place and is pinching etc. I wonder how they did it at Bertone. Two man job? Perhaps a jig to hold it approximately in place and then arrange all the loose bits and cables to sit correctly?

    I’m also always fighting to get the door panels reasonably in place. Usually I end up have it hanging half attached, hmm… I still need to do the passenger door to find a short circuit in the mirror adjustment and I’m already dreading to start on it because of the panels. I’d love to get a proper howto instruction for the door panel install.

    LagerLager
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    Some of them don´t line up but even when they do (when I move the panel) and I push them they won´t attach. I think there´s too much tension on the panel. I have to check the wiring. Yes they are pain to put back. I was very surprised that I did so well with the passenger door. I don´t know how much force should be used but the passenger door did not require that much force.

    Johan VlagsmaJohan Vlagsma
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    I was thinking, could it be the holes are slightly bigger diameter. Even a small difference would make a lot of difference in how well the clip will hold

    LagerLager
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    Hi!
    Well that could be the cause but how could they be bigger? They are metal. How is  it possible for them to become bigger?

    Btw. What is the difference between white and yellow clips? I know that on later models they are white but on mine they are yellow.

    Johan VlagsmaJohan Vlagsma
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    The Bertone cars are not mass produced, I can imagine and have heard of odd things in these cars. Perhaps the white clips are bigger, perhaps stronger? Perhaps a lesson was learnt for the later cars? Who knows. I would just measure things up accurately with a caliper and use the best fitting clips or whatever method to secure the panels properly, even if that would be different for each side or a mix on one panel. But then, for me keeping it original is not a goal.

    HedwigHedwig
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    I have also one other question about the wiring on drivers side door.

    One connector goes to the warning lamp.

    There´s those speaker wires.

    There´s is four connectors that go to the control panel.

    Then there´s one two-wire connector that I don´t know where it goes to. It is near of those connectors that go to the control panel. Any idea?

    The first model years have a central locking knob on the control panel until VIN #002020 and returns in the model year 1989.
    It’s possible that you still have the old wire harness with the connector for this central locking knob.

    LagerLager
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    Hi Hedwig. Yes I think that it is possible. Maybe it´s possible to use a control panel with the central locking button on my car too?

    HedwigHedwig
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    I guess that could be the case.

    DaviesDavies
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    I have found the clips that seem to come loose most often are on the bottom of the door. The two white “u-shaped” clips that go around the red pin to hold the panel are especially hard to keep in place.  Anyone found a good solution? I have use a heavy tape to hold the clip on the red pin as a temporary solution until I can find time to pull the panel and rework the way the clips hold.  This was used on all the 7 series cars.

    LagerLager
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    Hi Davies!

    Maybe the best solution would be to buy new red and white clips. But I think it will be difficult even with new parts. I have difficulties with the yellow ones – new yellow ones.

    LagerLager
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    I think that it´s strange that all 780s  have the same part numbers for doors and door panels yet the clips are different since later chassis-numbers.

    DaviesDavies
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    New ones would certainly be less brittle. I don’t know that the panel design was the best, certainly more complicated than modern door panels. I also know in the factory each door was individually mounted, sometimes requiring heat guns and extra sticky mounting putty to make things just right. So it is more of an art than science for sure.

    LagerLager
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    It seems that there´s some higher power that does not want me to install that door panel. I purchased a completely new door panel from Skandix and I thought that it would be easier to install a completely new panel than an old one.

     

    BUT – today I tried to install it. First I left it hanging from the top like it should be. Then I tried to push those yellow clips to place. The tension was so strong that the wooden list on the top of the panel that holds the sealing and also holds the clips that hold the panel from top completely came apart.

    It was attached with staples.

    Now I´m waiting for a reply from Skandix.

    I wonder if they send me a new one. Would it be any better or should I try to fix this one?

    I am pretty frustrated because a brand new part came apart.

    LagerLager
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    I´m still waiting for the reply from Skandix but I figured that it is a good idea to put some extra staples before I try to install the new one / fixed new one.

    LagerLager
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    Answer received : There´s no warranty if the parts get destroyed during installation. So only chance now is to repair this one. I think that I will attach it again with staples.

    DaviesDavies
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    I don’t think the staples were ever a good idea from the factory, even a “new” part has 25 years of old materials.  I have removed the strip and used an epoxy to glue it. You can tap back the staples if you want as well.  You have to be careful to get all of the door releases and wiring in the right position. The bottom series of clips and the two white clips that go over the red pegs are some of the hardest.  Let us know how the repair goes.

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